By Don Croft <terminator3@turbonet.com>
http://educate-yourself.org/dc/conversationwithahmad18dec04.shtml
December 18, 2004
From Ahmad NishiToba:
In the name of God, The Gracious, The Merciful
Peace be unto you Don,
I have just read your article on "Persian magic"
(www.educate-yourself) and i noticed that some of your arguments are in
parallel with my message (www.usn2161.net) which is about the original religion
of God "Submission" that has been subverted by Satan into three
satanic polytheistic offshoots.
Specially when you say :"These are the newage chumps
who are addicted to incomprehensible rituals, expensive workshops and 'guided
group meditations' and they're also the ones who revert to religious fundamentalism,
which is another wing of the mind control agenda."
I reached the same conclusion using Quran, the final testament
to Humanity. Liberalism and conservatism are just two sides of the same
coin, worshipping creatures other than God. While God's path is a balanced,
straight path inbetween.
However what i have little knowledge about, is the issue of
"magic". The way you describe"the operators" may suggest
that they are the guardian angels protecting the sincere day and night in
accordance with God's will,
[13:11] Shifts (of angels) take turns, staying with each one
of you - they are in front of you and behind you. They stay with you, and
guard you in accordance with GOD's commands. Thus, GOD does not change the
condition of any people unless they themselves make the decision to change.
If GOD wills any hardship for any people, no force can stop it. For they
have none beside Him as Lord and Master.
I don't think we can contact them though!
Also there is the matter of "the watchers" whom
i think are the Jinn-beings, who are descendants of Satan. With every human
body created, a Jinn-being is assigned to it (the Jinn are more on the polytheistic
side, but some are righteous though), and a human being is also assigned
to that body. (more on Satan link on my website).
The Human (descendant of Adam) must take charge of his mind
and body (as per God's design), otherwise the harmony between the Human
and his Jinn companion will be distorted, and out of this imbalance, disease,
depression and misery comes out. It's the same as God's design of a husband
in charge of the family and a woman following his righteous command, any
other arrangement is deemed to fail, as it's against God's order (detailed
in Quran).
Quran talks about these Jinn-beings who are invisible, created
of smokless fire, they continously introduce polytheistic ideas into our
minds (in order to make us get stuck in something or someone, the visible
elements of life), and after getting stuck through extreme attraction (obsessions,
addictions, codependency, sinfull lusts..etc) or repulsion (unjustified
hates , phobias and fears) we become more dead than alive. Since the body
is not designed for the Jinn-command. This process of the Jinn taking over
is facilitated by intoxicants (alcohol, drugs....etc).
So that is the test, Satan wants to enslave us all through
worshipping the material visible world, instead of the unseen, God alone.
Quran says though that SEEKING POWER through these Jinn invisible
beings is destined to bring misery to the individual!
At the end of this message, God willing i will attach a short
chapter from Quran, entitled (the Jinns) which speaks about some righteous
Jinns who warn against seeking power of the Jinns.
Also we have a direct warning of practicing witchcraft in
Quran, because it is the ultimate form of idolworship (assigning independent
powers in things and people instead of God), which is clear from using nonsensical
mantras, or symbols, since creatures don't have any power on their own to
harm or benefit, only God has.
[2:102] They pursued what the devils taught concerning Solomon's
kingdom. Solomon, however, was not a disbeliever, but the devils were disbelievers.
They taught the people sorcery, and that which was sent down through the
two angels of Babel, Haroot and Maroot. These two did not divulge such knowledge
without pointing out: "This is a test. You shall not abuse such knowledge."
But the people used it in such evil schemes as the breaking up of marriages.
They can never harm anyone against the will of GOD. They thus learn what
hurts them, not what benefits them, and they know full well that whoever
practices witchcraft will have no share in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed
is what they sell their souls for, if they only knew.
Finally, in 1974 God revealed to the world a miracle in quran
(the miracle of 19) through the messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa
(an egyptian american chemist Ph.d), who found using a huge computer that
there is a 19 pattern that preserves all the components of Quran (letter
by letter, unlike the other scriptures codes), which is simple to understand,
impossible to imitate.
Eventually that messenger was assasinated by the corrupt muslims
in 1990 because of his call to Quran alone (the muslims follow satanic fabrication,
Hadith, which is the equivelant to the Talmoud).
3 years ago i recieved his message through the internet, and
then one year ago God inspired me of UNITING all the sincere around One
God, one book (Quran, the final testament), and one religion (Submission,
the original religion of Abraham) in one United Submitters Nation (USN).So
the reason i am writing this is to invite you to the USN, and also to get
more info. on the above noted points, thanks, may God guide us all to His
straight path.
Ahmad NishiToba
www.usn2161.net
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Sura - 72 Jinns (Al-Jinn)
Order Of Revelation 40, Verses: 28
[72:0] In the name of God, The Gracious, The Merciful
[72:1] Say, "I was inspired that a group of jinns listened,
then said, `We have heard a wonderful Quran.
[72:2] " `It guides to righteousness, and we have believed
in it; we will never set up any idols beside our Lord.
[72:3] " `The Most High is our only Lord. He never had
a mate, nor a son.
[72:4] " `It is the foolish among us who used to utter
such nonsense about GOD.
[72:5] " `We thought that neither the humans, nor the
jinns, could possibly utter lies about GOD.
[72:6] " `Human beings used to seek power through jinn
beings, but they only afflicted them with a lot of adversity.
[72:7] " `They thought, just like you thought, that GOD
would not send another (messenger).
[72:8] " `We touched the heaven and found it filled with
formidable guards and projectiles.
[72:9] " `We used to sit there in order to spy. Anyone
who listens is pursued by a powerful projectile.
[72:10] " `We have no idea if something bad is intended
for the inhabitants of Earth, or if their Lord wills to redeem them.
[72:11] " `Some of us are righteous, and some are less
than righteous; we follow various paths.
[72:12] " `We knew full well that we can never run away
from GOD on Earth; we can never run away and escape.
[72:13] " `When we heard the guidance, we believed therein.
Anyone who believes in his Lord will never fear any injustice, nor any affliction.
[72:14] " `Among us are the submitters, and among us
are the compromisers.' " As for those who submitted, they are on the
right path.
[72:15] As for the compromisers, they will be fuel for Gehenna.
[72:16] If they remain on the right path, we will bless them
with abundant water.
[72:17] We will surely test them all. As for him who disregards
the message of his Lord, He will direct him to ever increasing retribution.
[72:18] The places of worship belong to GOD; do not call on
anyone else beside GOD.
God's Messenger of the Covenant*
[72:19] When GOD's servant advocated Him alone, almost all
of them banded together to oppose him.
[72:20] Say, "I worship only my Lord; I never set up
any idols beside Him."
[72:21] Say, "I possess no power to harm you, nor to
guide you."
[72:22] Say, "No one can protect me from GOD, nor can
I find any other refuge beside Him.
[72:23] "I deliver GOD's proclamations and messages."
Those who disobey GOD and His messenger incur the fire of Hell, wherein
they abide forever.
[72:24] Once they see what is awaiting them, they will find
out who is really weaker in power, and fewer in number.
[72:25] Say, "I do not know if what is promised to you
will happen soon, or if my Lord will delay it for awhile."
[72:26] He is the Knower of the future; He does not reveal
the future to anyone.
[72:27] Only to a messenger that He chooses, does He reveal
from the past and the future, specific news.
[72:28] This is to ascertain that they have delivered their
Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the
numbers of all
things.
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*72:19-28 The messenger here is named, mathematically, as
``Rashad Khalifa,'' to whom God revealed the end of the world (Appendix
25). The number of verses from 1:1 to 72:27, where the messenger is mentioned,
is 5472, 19x72x4. The word ``Rashada'' occurs 4 times in Sura 72. The value
of ``Rashada'' is 504, and 504+28 (verses of Sura 72) is 532, 19x28. The
value of ``Rashad Khalifa'' (1230)+72+28=1330 =19x70. The digits of Sura
72 and its number of verses (28) add up to 7+2+2+8=19. Also, the crucial
expression, ``only to a messenger that He chooses'' has a gematrical value
of 1919, 19X101.
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From Don Croft:
Thanks, Ahmad--it's a real pleasure to converse with someone
who has applied the wisdom of the Qur'an to the practicality of daily life.
In fact, I gather that one of the implied recommendations
in Muhammad's Book is for us each to 'figure it out,' when specific Divine
instruction isn't provided. He mentioned that the entire universe is enfolded
in each of us and that the universe was created for our training, in fact.
It's true that the Hadith are inadequate and misleading. For
instance one hadith says that an angel personally delivers each drop of
rain to the earth; another says that an angel will not dwell in the same
place as a dog, so one would have to assume that dogs don't get wet when
it rains.
The Talmud and the Gospel are also full of comical contradictions
like this. I know that Jesus taught an awful lot more than was recorded,
for instance. I once read the 'words of Jesus' in the Gospel and was shocked
to find that they'd only fill a medium sized pamphlet. The proof that Jesus
was a Messenger of God, to me, is that in spite of being so grossly misrepresented
and under-represented He has had such profound influence on the spiritual
development of our specie. The fact that millions and millions of devout
Christians would like to rip my head off for suggesting that the Gospel
is compromised doesn't change the simple, truthful nature of this observation,
of course.
I'm not surprised that the Qur'an was found to have a uniform
numerological code, as the Torah also has, nor am I surprised that a Muslim
scientist/scholar discovered this because even the earliest Muslims understood
that science and spirituality are inseparable. I do feel gratified that
it was an American who did that, though ;-)
The early Muslims, after all, re-established education, the
sciences and the rule of law the Western world after the dissolution of
the Roman Empire and eventually dragged Europe, kicking and screaming, up
out of the Dark Ages during a time when the Popes were running their own
brothels and conducting the most bizarre and degraded ceremonies in the
Vatican itself.
They also re-established bathing in the West ;-)
To say that anyone living right now is a prophet, though,
may be misleading just on the basis of semantics, though perhaps I don't
know enough about Dr Khalifah to have an opinion in his case. I'm very sorry
to hear that he was murdered. The higher (sic) levels of freemasons, in
particular, have had a blood hatred toward Islam since the days of the unwashed
Templars, of course.
I think the word, 'prophet' makes me a little uncomfortable
because the word carries an awful lot of ideological baggage. It might be
hard to find two people who can agree on what the word means, for instance,
and to assign the spiritual station of Muhammad, for instance, to a gifted
scholar or scientist might be a disservice to the latter in the long run.
Do you honestly know of anyone who is capable of producing something approaching
the majesty, intricacy and expanse of the Qur'an, for instance? Isn't that
Book a standard for determining the station of a genuine Messenger?
The language of Revelation is the language of the heart, more
than it's a feast for the intellect, of course, and the heart doesn't care
a whole lot about interpretation or even words. I don't personally know
of anyone who's alive today who has the capacity to sustain a revelation
directly from God, though every two bit preacher claims to be able to check
His schedule at will and to receive His instructions to convey to bornagain
chumps ;-) who believe that they need a payrolled interlocutor between our
Creator and their own PJ-clad hearts and minds.
The best way for you to understand the simple, empowering
methods we share on ew.com is to experiment with them on your own, Ahmad.
Nothing replaces direct experience. Most of the people who do this work
aren't interested in magic or supernormal entities, by the way, and most
folks who read my journal reports--even most of my own friends--are a little
incredulous, actually. I suspect that most people read my writing for the
entertainment value but as long as I can induce even the most casual reader
to make or buy a little orgonite and unwittingly, perhaps, contribute that
share to
healing this beleaguered planet, then I'm more than satisfied.
I won't even write about the more bizarre experiences that
Carol and I have now and then. People simply like what orgonite does to
balance the environment and help people to feel happier and to get along
better with each other. That's still the part of our 'career' that gives
us the most pleasure, of course--we take regular journeys here and abroad
just so we can do more gifting. It feels almost like a selfish pursuit because
we get so much pleasure and satisfaction from it.
I do believe, as you do, that a genuine global commonwealth
is in the offing. I don't believe that we particularly need to be Muslims
to share that happy experience butut I'm sure that Muhammad's monumental
contribution to the development of human society over the past millenia
and more will be fully acknowledged and honored when all has been said and
done. The contributions of Moses and Jesus to the unfoldment of human social
progress in the West have already been adequately honored and acknowledged,
of course, and we're going to need to acknowledge and integrate the Eastern
Prophets' guiding principles, too, which are certainly in harmony with the
entirety of God's guidance throughout human history. I like to focus on
Persia these days because that's where the East and West are conjoined historically.
Persia's rich, ancient and intricate culture contributed significantly to
heart to Islam, I personally believe.
What form this global community will take is probably still
veiled in obscurity simply because we lack the proper wisdom to fully understand
it yet, much less invent it. I think it's been unfolding for over a century,
though, and that we need to concern ourselves more with the process of unfoldment,
now, than with the specific outcome. This an exercise in faith, don't you
agree? Genuine faith unites us in a way that no institution can. One thing
is certain: the completion of this wonderful process will only come about
through the exercise of universal law and through ever-expanding accountability
and personal initiative.
The Qur'an is 'a Plain Book,' as it's Author pointed out,
and is accessible to anyone's understanding, as are all of the revealed
Books, but the creative nature the Revealed Word shouldn't be confused with
what I call 'arcanery' which is 'chicanery' on the basis of allegedly 'arcane'
knowledge. Arcanery is the purview of clergy, which is an obsolete human
institution, I believe. My wife is an example, perhaps, of a person who
uses an innate understanding of genuinely arcane dynamics to enhance balance
and harmony in the human world. Her Harmonic Protector sort of bears testimony
to this, according to the experiences of a great many people in the past
couple of years.
I don't have any onus toward the word, 'witch,' becuase I've
known a few traditional witches over the years who are a great deal more
aware of natural law and of the consequences for breaking it than most religionists
are and these fine women are genuine healers. I don't think I've even physically
met any of the predatory/parasitic witches like the ones we encounter on
the etheric battlefield now and then. I've seen some in 3D, though, and
the palpable disharmony that they transmit precludes my wanting to get close
enough to even have a casual conversation. I think most of these, by now,
get paychecks or other remuneration from the US and British governments
;-) which I collectively consider to be the manifestation of the Biblical
'Whore of Babylon,' though the UN might be competing for that distinction
right now.
The form of witchcraft that Muhammad refers to is represented
by the latter witches, I think. We pretty much 'are' what we 'do' in this
life. Anyone who leaves this world a better place for having spent a life
here can be said to be submitting to God, I believe, and 'Muslim' simply
means 'one who submits.' This is how I interpret 'submission,' and when
one studies the lives of the exemplary early Muslims, in start contrast
to the barbaric cultural matrix they emerged from, one sees a similar pattern.
I personally have faith in the God Who created us all but
most of the folks I know don't share my experience or ideology. I don't
feel compelled to persuade anyone to believe as I do and, in fact, I doubt
that two humans are even capable of believing exactly the same way. Conformity
stifles genuine spirituality, which is a function of the heart, which is
an 'organ of fire.' The only way to achieve genuine unity, in fact, is through
diversity. The most delightful garden has every sort of flower, plant and
tree in it and has just a suggestion of wildness. A symphony is made up
of all notes and includes a requisite little bit of discord.
When one has a balanced, functional world view one 'submit's'
simply for the sake of virtue, not in hope of reward or from fear of punishment.
In fact, most folks don't have a conscience and in their case behavior can
only be kept within the law by their own fear and hope (peer pressure?).
I call these the 'Pajama People.' The only folks in this world who are awake
are the few who have a social conscience and the few who consciously want
to exploit and even destroy society. The vast majority--the PJ folk--are
sort of like small children and, in a way, the rest of us may even be partly
responsible for keeping them safe and out of mischief.
Children are prone to err, after all. This 'natural' PJ mindset
is perhaps illustrated in Muhammad's tongue-in-cheek observation, 'They
perceive the straight to be crooked and the crooked to be straight.' The
few of us who are endowed with consciences are the ones who make all the
good things happen in this world by happily sumitting to God's will, I believe.
God's will is best manifested in natural (universal) law and the Creative
Word is simply the compendium for how this law can best be most economically
expressed in human behavior, of course. Following the recommendations of
God's Messengers help us avoid spending any more time in the School of Hard
Knocks than absolutely necessary.
There's a saying: As your faith is, so shall your powers and
blessings be; ...this is the standard!
In fact, one has to be empowered to understand any simple
truth. I challenge people to speak the truth in their own words and from
the heart. I think this exercise deepens one's personal faith.
The Hadith, most of the New Testament, most of which is simply
Roman Mithraism in Christian costume, and the Talmud represent the human
corruption of religion and people who mistake these for the Creative Word
are the ones who believe that the letter of the law supplants the spirit
of the law. Christian nations have gone to war with each other over the
interpretion of irrelevant verses in the Gospel, for instance, and countless
thousands of saintly people were burned at the stake as heretics. This is
a discernment issue and humanity has reached a stage of development where
we, as a specie, are on the threshold of maturity. One of the aspect of
maturity is accountability. Have you noticed that we're all being held more
accountable now? Does that mean that this is Judgement Day?
I don't presume to be able to contact angels and in fact the
only other entities besides humans I've felt a personal and etheric bond
with are cetaceans, some nice offworlders & human hybrids (I believe)
and, rarely, elementals. The elementals (Jinn), as you've referenced, are
the 'people made of clear fire' who are pre-existent to humans. I've taken
the account in the Qur'an of 'Iblis, just as the account of Moses' sojourn
with Khidr, to be allegorical but perhaps tied to some ancient factual archetypical
drama.
Muhammad never assigns more than a 'mischief' role to 'Iblis,
as opposed to the infantile Mithraic duality of 'God and Satan,' and I've
had some personal experience with mischievous elementals. I didn't feel
amy bond with those, by the way ;-) but I didn't feel threatened by them,
either, any more than I feel personally threated by fire or water. I understand
that dark magic is mostly founded on the assumption that the Jinn can be
induced to do a magician or witch's will. You're absolutely right that the
people who engage in this are eventually consumed by it and people of conscience
abhor having that sort of 'power.'
I don't believe that anything created by God is inherently
evil nor have I found anything in my reading of the Qur'an to support the
notion that evil is much more than simply the absence of balance. There
are evil, parasitic thoughtforms, such as London's Federal Reserve Corporation,
but those are man's creations and we can destroy those now instead of 'submitting'
to their version of Gehenna (Muhammad forbade usury, which is why the Islamic
world prospered in its heyday). I believe that Muhammad teaches that all
good comes from God and that all evil comes from man.
By the way, the translation of the Qur'an that I've found
most user-friendly is the one by Rodwell. Arabic doesn't lend itself well
to literal translation into English, I feel, and Rodwell seemed to have
an instinctual appreciation for the Station of Muhammad. Not everything
that comes out of Great Britain is parasitic or exploitive, of course. It's
actually a great nation and I hope it will be exonerated someday, after
the City of London has been turned into a hard-labor punishment farm (organic,
of course, considering how much manure has been produced there for the past
four hundred years) ;-)
In the spirit of this emerging, compassionate global paradigm,
I vote for not requiring the international bankers, occult/corporate parasites
and usurers to wear chains as they work those fields after they've been
brought to full accountability for their near-miss global genocide agenda.
It's funny that one of the most popular occult/corporate mottos
is 'ordo ab chao' ('order from chaos') because they've all specialized in
creating chaos through their parasitic geopolitical 'sturm und drang' manipulations
in order to enforce their own exploitive, murderous order on humanity.
The most insidious manifestation of that 'ordo' I can think
of is the most extensive prison system in the history of humanity: the American
Gulag Archipelago, which is now mostly made of of people who committed non-crimes,
most of those being people of color, in fact. One thing we haven't gotten
right in America, yet, is the application of the Republic's founding principle
that 'all men are created equal.' I think it's not too late for the Muslims
to teach us this.
it's up to us, right now, to end this parasitic global hegemony
and I think we've got all that we need to accomplish it. In fact we're well
on our way to finishing the job and the befuddled PJ folks who are smoking
dope, swilling Budweiser and watching the blustering, infantile play-soldiers
in Iraq on CNN or the gladiators on ESPN, are still wondering if and when
the process of achieving 'heaven on earth' is even going to start ;-)
Even theoretical physicists are finding that pure chaos has
a practical use, though. The mobius coils we use in our zappers and etheric
training weapons are capable of producing nearly-pure chaotic energy, in
fact, and the physicists have determined that the more chaos can be manifested
in the beginning of a process, the more order will result from it. This
principle is exemplified in the formation of exquisite crystals, very deep
in the earth's crust as it continuously forms from the seething, violent
mass of pressurized magma further down. See how modern science has been
validating some of the findings of Islam's early scientists, Ahmad?
I think your reference to the dynamics of the Jinns' influence
over egotistical, psychotic, drunk and/or drug addicted people is succinct
and accurate. We absolutely deplore the use of these substances on a practical
basis, by the way, becuase we simply can't trust the folks who use those
and in the 'closer' pursuits of intelligence gathering and cabal/predator
blasting we need to trust our fellow warriors. As you might imagine, there
aren't a lot of people we know well enough to trust in this situation, anyway,
though I'm confident that anyone who can exhibit this level of commitment
can easily find a few others to work with this way.
I question your use of the word, 'final' in terms of the Qur'an.
I personally believe that Muhammad was called 'the Seal of the Prophets'
simply because He came with God's full Authority. I agree with Muslims'
assessment that He was also the Comforter (Paraclete) Who was promised would
'soon come' by Jesus (the Muslim calendar began in 629 AD).
Most Westerners are abyssmally unaware of the significant
influence that Islam has had on our own cultures. I'm sure this is because
Christian clergy and other occult/corporate institutions assiduously censored
all references to this influence from the public record.
The American Republic was, I believe, the fruition of Muhammad's
instructions to humanity regarding the then-new paradigm of nationhood.
All the occult/corporate censorship in the world won't stop or even inhibit
the unfoldment of a Divine Plan, of course ;-) and the US Constitution was
practically copied by every nation which was formed after that because this
was timely and humanity, by then, had come to recognize that the rule of
law is more practical, desirable and humane than the gratuitous whims of
despots as the basis for government.
'First' and 'last' are meaningful on many levels but one of
the pitfalls that catch most religionists is their assumption that only
their own religion is valid right now. I personally believe that Muhammad's
intention was to facilitate the eventual unification of our specie but that
so were the intentions of all of God's Messengers and I doubt that they
would make these temporal distinctions among Themselves, even though their
social teachings were obviously tailored to whatever was appropriate to
uplift the receiving cultures at the time of Their appearance.
In Arabia, when Muhammad was born, it was a common practice
to bury an infant daughter alive in the foundation of a new house to ensure
protection and prosperity for the new occupants and nobody had any human
rights there and then. Muhammad established human rights to an extent that
wasn't experienced in human history before that. In Islam, women are allowed
to own property. Before that, Christian and Jewish women were not allowed
to
own property but they were allowed to exercise that birthright in Islamic
nations.
Abraham's father was a high priest and idol maker in Mesopotamia.
Abraham smashed all the idols in the main shrine there and said that there
is only one God. His direct lineage includes all of the prophets of Persia,
Arabia and Israel, by the way. I personally suspect that Buddha also came
from Abraham's lineage through Khaturah, his third wife, but I don't have
any evidence for that ;-)
In my vision of the world, people honor and value the similarities
and common foundation of all genuine religions and thus enrich their appreciation
for God's love for and direct guidance of humanity throughout the ages.
I'm sharing this dialogue on ethericwarriors.com because the
Jinn-dominated US and British Governments are waging a vindictive, entirely
unprovoked war against Islam and butchering innocent Muslims abroad so I
want to provide, in my humble way, a sounding board for some intelligent
discussion of the merits of your dynamic culture and faith, Ahmad. I personally
like the way you articulate your personal beliefs and I hope others will
visit your site
after reading this.
I'm sure you know that I'll be happy to share whatever we
have and know with you, so feel free to offer any questions or comments,
okay?
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