Inside Information on The Report To The Club of Rome 1972
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November 25, 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy
To: Editor@educate-yourself.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:56 AM
Subject: Inside Information on The Report To The Club of Rome 1972
I'll keep this short:
Around 1970-1971, a group of top scientists were commissioned to do a report
on the world environment. The team concluded that in approximately 100 years,
the earth would have serious ecological breakdowns that would endanger all
species on earth, including our own. In 1972, the book Limits To Growth
was published. This book was supposedly the report the team gave to the Club
of Rome.
My brother in law, was a student member of the team. He joined the team as
an intern (He was a doctoral student at Sonoma State College at the time).
In a nutshell, the team feared that mass hysteria and mass violence would
occur in the world if the public fully understood that we were on the brink
of a world-wide ecological collapse. They felt that large changes were necessary
(very similar to the NWO outline) in our society to ensure our survival.
These conclusions were pragmatic, they were not inspired by hate. The team
also hoped for positive changed that would help our society. I wish more sites
that discuss the NWO philosophy would discuss the legitimate environmental
concerns that these scientists had. Accurate information about the genesis
of the NWO philosophy will help the public make responsible changes.
The future does not need to be ruled by sociopaths and tyrants.
Nancy
----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Nancy
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Inside Information on The Report To The Club of Rome 1972
Hi Nancy,
Thanks for taking the time to send this note.
Is Anthony still alive and what does he feel about the impact of the orignal
report today and the direction taken by the Club of Rome? You said he was
a student member of the team. How many people were involved; students and
professionals?
Do you believe in the conclusions reached by that report ?
Here are some items I would consider when judging the merits of such a report:
1. "Top scientists" does not equate to 'wise human beings' making
sound judgements that serve in the best interest of humanity.
2. "Mass hysteria" seems to be the leading excuse by elitists to
keep important information in their hands (and control) while denying their
obligation to inform the general electorate (in the case of politicians and
military) and the corpus of humanity (for scientists) on issues that have
profound implication to the human species; but is it truly legitimate? The
fact is, that large populations of people have NEVER reacted with mass hysteria
to alarming information, despite efforts by the Illuminati to precipitate
such hysteria as was the case with the 1937 Orson Welles' "War of the
World" radio broadcast or the 1993 riots in Los Angeles. They were orchestrated
test tuns to see how many people would react with panic and guess what? It
didn't work. The horrors of the Nazi concentrations camps, the Sept 11 attacks
in NY, etc, etc. Think for a minute: What historical event or information
revelation has EVER resulted in "mass hysteria" by human popluations?
It's a smoke screen. It doesn't happen.
3. The ASSUMPTIONS and PROJECTIONS of this team were BIASED toward a humanistic,
mechanical view of world, not allowing for the self regulation (self limiting)
of Nature-based creatures existing in a LIVING , Nature-based environment.
These guys PRESUMED that the Nature itself was some sort of uncontolled process
that needed THEIR wisdom and FORESIGHT to prevent self destruction. Talk about
arrogance! Assumptions and projections are a very dangerous game to play even
by the 'best' of 'scientists'. Projections have a way of not working out as
projected by the "experts'. I could easily think of a couple of thousand
examples of that in the 20th century alone.
4. I never said that the JASON Committee etc, were inspired by hate, but
their conclusions were greviously flawed and the "remedy" for fixing
their erroneous conclusions- worldwide GENOCIDE- somehow doesn't exactly convey
a message of love in my book.
5. You said that they were concerned about "our" survival in your
note. I'm sure they were thinking about THEIR (the elitist, the Illuminated
crowd), survival and expansion, not "ours".
6. The Illuminati (the elitists) have done much more to DESTROY any possibility
of employing wise and sound policy for ecological problems as demonstrated
most clearly by the Bush clan at Rio and Kyoto, than those wasteful human
populations acting in ignorance.
Yes, ecological concerns do need to be addressed, but by people of humanity
and compassion, not the Nazi hordes presently in charge of the show.
Killing off 4 billion people to "save" humanity is not a "pragmatic"
option.
Regards, Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy
To: editor@educate-yourself.org
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Inside Information on The Report To The Club of Rome 1972
Ken, thanks for your response.
My brother in law is alive and well. Though he lives in Marin County (I
also live in Marin County), I haven't spoken to him in years. I doubt he would
publicly acknowledge that any type of conspiracy exists.
1) I agree, "top scientists" are not necessarily " wise human
beings". I believe most of the scientists were from MIT. The book lists
many of their names. Though you and I may not believe they were wise, there
may be influential people who believe they were wise.
2) You bring up an excellent point about "mass hysteria", however,
I believe that the team believed that at some point there would be mass hysteria
and mass violence (looting, hoarding, murders, etc) that would result when
people fully comprehended their situation and were faced with food shortages.
Given that fear, they still published their book which details the breakdown
of our ecological systems. (The team also had hopes that positive changes
would occur in time).
3) I don't agree with your statement in #3. If you read the book, you will
see that they perceive that humans are damaging the environment at an accelerating
rate. Different types of damage is occurring world wide. There isn't an assumption
that nature is an uncontrolled process.
Also, I believe they omitted the following sentiments from the book: Laws,
local and national customs as well as religion influence the behavior that
ultimately causes the environmental destruction. They hoped education would
motivate voluntary change. They feared education and warnings would not bring
about the change needed to avoid a disaster.
4) I agree, you never said the Jason Committee conclusions were inspired
by hate. I think it is important to incorporate scientific findings and projections
into discussions about the New World Order. Formal warnings by scientists
have been given to many world leaders. Many of the predictions have come true.
It is reasonable to assume that there are SOME people in power who take the
warnings seriously and plan to be among those who survive. Reasonable people
will turn into viscous animals if they are faced with death. They will also
make choices that appear to be outrageous.
5) In response to #5, yes, their interpretation of "our" survival
was probably themselves, their kids and their buddies.
6) Bush may go down in history as one of the greatest environmentalists who
ever lived. His administration has managed to destroy one of the healthiest
economies on the planet which has contributed to a world wide recession. To
save the environment, industrialized society MUST BE SHUT DOWN. The economy
is starting to recover. If I am correct, there will be more terrorism this
next year which will plunge us back into a recession. I also believe that
some of the domestic terrorism will be done by U.S. citizens. (If investment
money is taken away from companies and people are too broke to buy products,
the industries will shut down. The pollution will end). Ideally a fraction
of the industry will remain which will ensure that the technology survives
and evolves.
Lastly, I agree. Let's not allow the Nazi hordes to run the show. Newspapers
have been suspiciously quiet about the environment during the last 20 years.
If environmental concerns have spawned a hidden agenda by those in power,
let's talk about it on the Internet.
I look forward to future discussions,
Nancy
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy
To: editor@educate-yourself.org
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: The Report To The Club of Rome 1972
Hi Ken,
Here is a link to the report I have been discussing.
If the link doesn't work you can find it again by going to the Club of Rome
site. Then go to archives. It is the first report.
Skip generated the computer models. I got the book a few months back which
helped to refresh my memory. The opinions expressed by Skip in my living room
after they finished the report echoed the team's viewpoint. Those opinions
were not in the book. Skip was in his early 20's at the time and involved
in civil rights activities. We were a very liberal family back then. My mother
was a photojournalist who despised Nixon. We had friends who marched in anti-war
demonstrations, etc, etc. I think it is fair to say Skip formed some elitist
opinions from the experience but he was certainly not an elitist before the
project. He was seriously depressed for many months after he returned from
Europe.
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