----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaka Pavloviè" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
To: <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:48 AM
Subject: Contraception and birth control with CS
Contraception and birth control with CS
Collodial silver kills spermatozoon too. So if you take
CS frequently with CS in your body you become totaly sterile.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Editor" <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
To: "Jaka Pavloviè" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
"Collodial silver kills spermatozoon too."
Really? Based on what documented evidence and authored by whom?
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaka Pavlovic" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
To: "Editor" <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:50 AM
Subject: Odg: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
Dear Ken
On the same documents that unequivocally documented 650 extermination
of diferent virus, germs and bacteria.
Jaka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Editor" <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
To: "Jaka Pavlovic" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
Hi Jaka,
Human sperm are not considered pathogens. The 650 refers to disease organisms.
The tests were done at UCLA.
Sincerely, Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaka Pavlovic" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
To: "Editor" <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:23 AM
Subject: Odg: Re: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
Quotation:
Test results at the UCLA Medical Labs at the UCLA School of
Medicine in 1988 by Larry C. Ford, M.D and other researchers show Colloidal
Silver killed every virus on which it was tested. They found that Colloidal
Silver acts as a catalyst and disables the enzyme used to metabolize oxygen,
causing all one-celled microorganisms to die. Because organisms cannot build
an immunity to Colloidal Silver, their mutations are just as vulnerable to
Colloidal Silver's rapid action. Because Colloidal Silver is neutralized by
body acids in the stomach, the compound doesn't usually kill "friendly bacteria"
unless too much is ingested. Colloidal Silver is the only silver that can
be safely used as a supplement because of its bio-availability and slow rate
of absorption.
Question: - If Colloidal Silver is neutralized by body
acids in the stomach how it can act against patogene bacteria (Candida Albicans
etc) in digestive tract (colon ..) and human body ?????????
- Spermatozoons are one-celled microorganisms too, so ...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Editor" <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
To: "Jaka Pavlovic" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
Dear Jaka,
A few things are clear to me about you:
1. You don't know anything about colloidal silver and YOU DON'T WANT
TO KNOW anything about colloidal silver. You prefer to be a skeptic or critic
and argue for the sake of ego gratification by attempting to win points in
a debate. Debate yourself.. I have no interest in it.
It' s not my responsibility to convince you of the merits of CS. Whether
you approve or don't approve of CS; whether you use it or don't use it; whether
you're skeptical or not; it's your problem, not mine. Bother someone else
with your skepticism. If you want to learn about colloidal silver, buy a few
books and do your own studying.
2. Don't ask me to defend the words of another author. These are not
my words. Find the author of this article and send him your questions. The
statement you refer to is partially incorrect, but it's not my responsibility
to address it or defend it. Ask the author, not me.
3. I know of no biology text that classifies spermatozoa as ''micro-organisms".
We usually reserve the term for free living or parasitic creatures that invade
a host; not native tissue produced by the host's body.
Jaka, you're really not qualified to play the role of critic. The caliber
of your questions makes that obvious. Why don't you remove the critic's hat
and try being a student for a change. Perhaps your questions (and knowledge base) will improve.
Sincerely, Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaka Pavlovic" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
To: "Editor" <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:56 AM
Subject: Odg: Re: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
"The tests were done at UCLA".
But not documented at all.
Did you ever read this:
COLLOIDAL SILVER
No one has ever proven any benefit in taking colloidal
silver by mouth. There are no human studies on what it will or won't
do for you or against any disease, no mater who manufactures it.
The following is posted with
the permission of the author, Tom Grier who performed his own
research on colloidal silver much like I did, with almost the same results.
"The latest of these alternative treatments that has taken
hold of the Lyme community has been liquid suspensions of Colloidal
Silver. Colloidal Silver is simply a suspension of silver metal
particles so small, that they stay in suspension by simple brownian
motion. Several companies manufacture and distribute Colloidal Silver
products as food supplements, which means they are not regulated by
the FDA. Silver is in fact an essential trace element that our
bodies require in minute quantities. Most of the silver we get from
our diet however is in the ionic form (the silver atom carries a positive
charge) such as from a silver salt, or a silver oxide, and not the metallic
form of silver that is found in the Colloidal Silver preparations being
sold. Since the FDA does not regulate these Colloidal Silver products,
the manufacturers do not have to provide any proof of safety or efficacy.
They need only satisfy the FTC requirement, that the contents of the bottle
are clearly labeled, and verifiable.
I was greatly intrigued by the literature that accompanied
these products. Almost all of the distributors had the same things to
say about Colloidal Silver, and most used the same references repeatedly
for their facts. Noticeably absent however, were any controlled multi
subject studies on humans. After I looked up some of the references and
read them for my self, I felt that some had been greatly misrepresented,
misquoted, and eronius conclusions had been drawn....."
----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Jaka Pavlovic
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
Hello Jaka,
See below:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaka Pavlovi?" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
To: "Editor" <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:56 AM
Subject: Odg: Re: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
>
> "The tests were done at UCLA".But not documented at all.
Really? How do you know? What do you really know of the circumstances
surrounding that study and whether it was 'documented' or not ?
I happen to know the details of that study intimately and you,
my friend, do not know what you are talking about.
Is your knowledge base exclusively limited to the word of drug company shills
and propagandist like Tom Grier, who you quote below?
> Did you ever read this:
No, not before today , but after looking up ole Tom's
web site on a search engine, I see that he has a LOTS OF THINGS to say
about MANY natural therapies. For instance, Tom warns his readers that his
laundry list of "worthless treatments" include:
Tom Grier is very much in the mold of another professional debunker,
Stephen Barrett
[ http://www.quackwatch.com ], although
certainly more slick. Tom's attack list is not quite as encyclopedic as Stephen
Barrett's, but he does well enough.
Tom wants his readers to believe that he's an even-minded sort
of guy and if the reader THINKS that some alternative therapy MIGHT work,
Tom says that person CERTAINLY ought to have the right to try it if he wants
to. That sure is magnanimous of him isn't it? But, of course, that doesn't
stop him from throwing around the "quack" word quite a bit and "snake
oil salesmen"', along with "worthless" and "scam", every few lines. Think
maybe he has an agenda Jaka?
By the way, Tom tells us in another of his many essays on the
potential harm that can be caused by natural therapies, that megadoses of
Vitamin C MIGHT be detrimental and even exasterbate the symptoms and SPEED
the progression of patients with neurological Lyme disease! Good Lord.
He quotes 3 cases to establish his thesis, but pulls his punches
by asking the reader rhetorical questions at the end of his indictments, like:
" Did this person make his neurological Lyme disease worse
with vitamin C? Did vitamin C inhibit the success of later treatment
with antibiotics? Without a good animal study, it is impossible to know for
sure. "
That's the slick part I was referring to.
In the same article linked above, Tom warns his readers of the
foolishness of being taken in by other alternative medicine promotion schemes
such as Dark Field Microscopy. Specifically, Tom wants us to be
weary of people who promote the use of "Magic microscopes" . Tom's referring
to dark field microscopy, but seems to prefer to highlight the term "Magic
microscope" I guess it fits his style better (or should I say agenda?)
.
Anyway, Tom wants us to know that this circus act to 'trick'
people into believing that there is something worthwhile in the use of the
"Magic microscope" is just so much nonsense. In fact, Tom states-flat
out-that the microbes and disease organisms exposed through the use of live,
dark field microscopy, are in fact, the patient's own blood mixed with (and
I quote directly)
" a drop of swamp water or other contaminant"
that is serrupticiously slipped into the blood slide by
the operator using an " innocent looking bottle of microscope immersion fluid"
!!!.
Can you imagine that! Pond scum slipped onto the slide to deceive
the person into believing that those bugs were in his blood stream! Boy oh
boy, you sure can't fool ole Tom Grier. He's right on top of those dark field
microscope "quacks" , isn't he?
So this is the man you are quoting to "prove" the worthlessness
of colloidal silver?
Well I suppose I could spend more time on Tom's other 'explanations',
obfuscations and distortions, but I think you get the idea.
Jaka, if you're gong to look to pro-orhodox shills like Grier
or Bassett to "prove" your point, you're always going to come up with a negative
conclusion. If you prefer the words of liars and deceptionists rather than
investigate the matter thoroughly with an open mind and with a sincere interest in discovering the truth of the matter, you'll always find this sort of skewed
'proof', but it's pharmaceutical /orthodox medicine debunking propaganda,
plain and simple.
Read their lies and believe their lies if you wish Jaka. They
have many more laying in wait for you.
Saionara, Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaka Pavlovi?" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
To: "Editor" <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:36 AM
Subject: Odg: Re: Re: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
Kon-nichiwa, Ken
I'm pleasant surprised at your exciting explanation. Perhaps
I was asking right for it! Certainly I read your interesting articles at "Educate
yourself" too.
Arigato gozaimasu.
Sayounara
Jaka
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To: "Jaka Pavlovi?" <Jaka.Pavlovic@gov.si>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Contraception and birth control with CS
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