http://educate-yourself.org/lte/respectfully04apr04.shtml
April 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: Mrs. P V
To: Editor@educate-yourself.org
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Respectfully
Hello,
Thank you for your helpful and informative web site. However I am concerned
about a thing I saw.
Your website portends to show people "truth" and I really do believe
that is basically the goal of your web site and forum. But I am concerned
about one thing. I saw your web page about "mind body connection".
I wonder if you know you're actually in danger of leading many,many people
astray spiritually, regardless of what you personally may know as your faith.
or have experienced. The talk in this area is very evocative of the new age
which greatly fuels the new world order to such a degree you may not even
actually realize how dangerously "politically correct" your sharing
goes.
It's late in the day to go into details now. Suffice to say few who are convinced
of a thing that has "worked for them" may particularly be interested
at all in the realities of spiritual Truth, as opposed to some "truths".
Removing the intense connection between occult-ism' and spiritism and the
like from ones personal life is the ONLY way one can truly see to his own
vision clearly and for others as well. It is also essential for the unspoken
benefits to one's soul. If you are truly interested in the holistic manifestation
of health, in all its forms, I encourage you to speak to God, not as in one
who "dwells in you" but as The One. Talk to Him about Christ and
making Him manifest in your life.
Without His governing you and your life and allegiance to Him alone you are
basically serving the "lord" of this world whom you discuss and
whose spiritually bereft pawns control and join in dark world systems. The
new age is the main system with ecumenism etc., by which most are being "brainwashed"
as your site alludes to and related web sites. I hesitate to say more but
I truly hope and pray you are brave and dedicated enough to your own soul's
welfare (and those you love) to love (real) Truth, forsake shadows of turning
and false 'gods' and spiritual leaders. Otherwise your site seems great and
thank you again.
P.S. Knowing Him as your Father and Lord will also do countless things in
aiding your understanding of the people and things you speak. Without such
governing the sharings lack a reliable authoritative base. In addition you
will in the end, be personally accountable to God for misleading the many
who look to your web site for honest insights and helpful information, to
their soul's calamity. May he save you soon.
Respectfully,
Mrs. Pamela V
----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Mrs. P V
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: Respectfully
Hello Pamela,
I don't wish to debate with you or anyone else about what I believe to be
true in the area of spiritual views. You are welcome to your version of the
Truth and I'll view my version as best I can with the Light that I'm given.
Based on what you have written here, you strike me as a person who is possessed
of a fundamentalist Christian view of religion, of Christ, and about spirituality.
Since you read things on my web site that conflict with your views, you wish
to warn me of the 'dangers' that I may lead others astray. But now you assume
that your views and your opinions about these matters are superior to those
which I have expressed. And now you have entered into that familiar, Land
of the Preacher. You wish to now correct my erroneous views and have me comply
with your 'enlightened' views. The problem is, I don't see it the same way
you do.
You see red when the words 'newage' or 'occult' are mentioned. "Newage"
is a deception tool of the NWO for you and "occult" = Satanism .
That's standard fundamentalist views, but I don't agree with that perception
or analysis of those words. I could partly agree though.
In general, you could say that the Newage movement was concocted and promoted
by the NWO. Yes, that may be true up to a certain point, but it's also true
that many so called Newage ideas aren't really so new and they are valid and
true perceptions. More importantly, we ARE coming into a "new" age
of expanded consciousness and there will be changes and a progression from
what went before.
I could say the same about the word 'occult'. Yes, it has been used and co-opted
by the satanic types, but occult could also mean hidden knowledge or perhaps
uncommon knowledge and still qualify as 'occult' without any negative (diabolical)
undertones or overtones. So the words 'occult' or 'newage' hold no fear or
pejorative impact for me.
For you, embracing Christ, in the manner recommended by fundamentalist Christians,
is the only way to achieve salvation of one's soul. Becoming a fundamentalist
Christian is an absolute necessity for redemption. The Jews, the Hindus, the
Moslems, the Buddhists, etc, etc., are all "lost"as far as you are
concerned. Am I correct? How about the Catholics? That's always an iffy area
for fundamentalists, isn't it?. They are Christian, yes, but they are not
YOUR kind of Christians are they? So where do they fall when the Final Judgment
Day rolls around (which I assume you feel is not too far away)?
For you, it's blasphemy to say that God is 'within'. We lowly humans are
obviously too unworthy a vessel for God to dwell in, so therefore we must
talk to Him somewhere OUT THERE and then bring Him into our lives, in the
sense of communication and communion of feelings. But again, Pamela, that
is YOUR view, a view which you've acquired from years of preaching and now
you assume it to be an infallible truth. But I don't feel that way. I have
a different view and if Christ were walking on the earth today, He would tell
you , I believe, pretty much the same thing that I'm saying to you . God is
within your heart, within the Sacred Heart that we all have and you only have
to turn inside to find Him.
Members of organized Christian religions are taught that Christ is the Only
son of God, and there are no others. The Nicene Creed of 323 AD made it so,
BUT I do not agree with that point of dogma, nor would Christ if He were on
earth today. Christ referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" . He
never said He was the "Son of God". Of course Christ IS a son of
God, but we are all sons and daughters of God, regardless of how retarded
our spiritual development may be; we are still the children of God.
I might as well close here, as I realize that what I just said is tantamount
to heresy for you.
Do not fear for me or the readers of my web site Pamela. Attend to your own
soul and your own spiritual awakening and understanding. Insights and realizations
are gained from within, not from without.
Sin is in the intention and those of Good Will have nothing to fear from
God (or my web site) .
God Bless and Peace, Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Mrs. P V
To: Editor
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Respectfully
Hello Pamela,
~Hello
I don't wish to debate with you or anyone else about what I believe to be
true in the area of spiritual views.
~O.k..
You are welcome to your version of the Truth and I'll view my version as
best I can with the Light that I'm given.
~O.k..
Based on what you have written here, you strike me as a person who is possessed
of a fundamentalist Christian view of religion, of Christ, and about spirituality.
~I hold no label, only Christian. Most Christians are "just Christians
. People can call us names. This does not define us. Though maybe for them.
Since you read things on my web site that conflict with your views, you
wish to warn me of the 'dangers' that I may lead others astray.
~Right, they are dangerous and error. But not because they conflict with
"my" or our views, but God's
But now you assume that your views and your opinions about these matters
are superior to those which I have expressed.
~Now you're assuming to know me and my heart/spirit/posture. you dont Nor
do "you" know anyone's heart. I do know right from wrong though.
Gee, for a guy who "don't wish to debate" youre really quite presumptive
in your replies and I amy add attacking too. Guess you lump all Christians
by judgeing them as you do with words like "fundamentalist" etc.
Whethyer you know it or not these are broad based strokes of prejudgeing and
the like. I never said I was "superior" to anyone.But I wont defend
that untruth.
And now you have entered into that familiar, Land of the Preacher. You wish
to now correct my erroneous views and have me comply with your 'enlightened'
views. The problem is, I don't see it the same way you do.
~ Is there such a "land"? Wow,how are their rents?:) is it ner
the city?:) (Hope not..) Really now . Why dont "you" tell "me"
more about the "me" you dont know?:)
You see red when the words 'newage' or 'occult' are mentioned.
~No I don't. You dont know me.
"Newage" is a deception tool of the NWO for you and "occult"
= Satanism .
~More than that. It's a big part of that system, heck yes. Not all occult
is direct satanism. Yes, eventually leading all to the same source,true.
That's standard fundamentalist views, but I don't agree with that perception
or analysis of those words. I could partly agree though.
~What words?:) I dont label you. Dont talk to me with words your secular
education has taught you. We are Christians, period. No other sideline or
jaundiced words need apply.
~ Wow, you repsume to know a LOT about me guy. Honestly I wont even try to
defend what is clearly constant defensiveness and presumption and attack on
your part. Now one really wants God, His Word says this,but, you were informed.
I was involved in the New age". Ive been both "places"..
In general, you could say that the Newage movement was concocted and promoted
by the NWO. Yes, that may be true up to a certain point, but it's also true
that many so called Newage ideas aren't really so new and they are valid and
true perceptions.
~That wasnt my point though..
More importantly, we ARE coming into a "new" age of expanded consciousness
and there will be changes and a progression from what went before.
~Exactly, and THEY are promoting this in the advent of their "man".
Guess who? Satan can come often as an angel of light.
I could say the same about the word 'occult'. Yes, it has been used and co-opted
by the satanic types, but occult could also mean hidden knowledge or perhaps
uncommon knowledge and still qualify as 'occult' without any negative (diabolical)
undertones or overtones. So the words 'occult' or 'newage' hold no fear or
pejorative impact for me.
~"Course they wont , til you actually get bit by them ,burne dor worse.
By then it just may be too late. Your "fundamenyalist" commnets
are really identifying the loving older brother or sister you "hated"
from grabbing from running off that "fun"'cliff"..
For you, embracing Christ, in the manner recommended by fundamentalist Christians,
is the only way to achieve salvation of one's soul.
~Not really .Its what HE did. I cant save my own soul. He does all the work,
it wa sdone already by Him. Yes, the only way,Christ,correct.
Becoming a fundamentalist Christian is an absolute necessity for redemption.
~NO!:) receiving Jesus. I dont know what word you keep using in some unforgiving
man's bad steretype of us..
The Jews, the Hindus, the Moslems, the Buddhists, etc, etc., are all "lost"as
far as you are concerned.
~Not if they get saved.
Am I correct? How about the Catholics?
~See above..
That's always an iffy area for fundamentalists, isn't it?.
~No..But, you're calling me names again? I mean, I haven't called you names.Please,
stop that.
They are Christian, yes, but they are not YOUR kind of Christians are they?
~"MY" kind?:) There is only ONE kind of redeemed soul, friend,
a SAVED ONE:)
So where do they fall when the Final Judgment Day rolls around (which I assume
you feel is not too far away)?
~In the End we all the living and ead will rise all in life too some ressurrected
to Heaven and some to Hell. And yes, those who call on Christ alone will go
to Heaven and pass on perdition.
For you, it's blasphemy to say that God is 'within'.
~There you go again:) Why do you keep saying things I havent said and calling
me things I dotn call myself (Nor do any Christians we know call thmselves
these labels/names). Its error and sin,yes. But its by far not new. In fact
its tied up with mans first sin, pride and wanting to be "like God""as
gods"
We lowly humans are obviously too unworthy a vessel for God to dwell in,
so therefore we must talk to Him somewhere OUT THERE and then bring Him into
our lives, in the sense of communication and communion of feelings.
~If you were taught you came from a "monkey" (ie evolution)and
were treated poorly by childhood "loved ones"and care takers who
really had little to share spiritually that was kind truth or uplifting, and
in addition, found your local universities and "friends", companions
extoling the "virtues" of the new age where YOU personally found
some temporal solace (which is many..I mean the above description in whole
or part could describe many. It did me for a number of years.), you/one could
easily fall into loving/supporting new age practices with little personal
care to the concerns of truth, I mean absolute Truth. I have never called
anyone unworthy . You know we are ALL made in GODS IMAGE.But we are hardly
EVER taught that. Instead we are taught this scholcky poor substitute for
God with all of many mena dn women walking around wishing to be "gods"
seeking and never finding. We ARE spiritual beings that HUNGER is normal and
natural and will possible NEVER leave. GOD placed it there for COMMUNION with
Him. (I forgot, add to that brew above religiosity and mans wish to make "good"
himself. We rarely want God on Gods terms. But He came as man to die for us.
Id say that makes us quite worthy.) Catholicisim and Protestantism are just
nice appearing isms til Christ is real. I try to brush my teeth "religiously.
This is about a souls destination and about relationship. not ritual and legalism
the law etc. This is the nature of God's grace
But again, Pamela, that is YOUR view, a view which you've acquired from years
of preaching and now you assume it to be an infallible truth.
~Ken, do you think living "TRUTH" daily is some eay task compared
to the soppy wimpy portrayal "they" have of us in the media and
universities THEY control?:O!
But I don't feel that way. I have a different view and if Christ were walking
on the earth today, He would tell you , I believe, pretty much the same thing
that I'm saying to you . God is within your heart, within the Sacred Heart
that we all have and you only have to turn inside to find Him.
~Ken, man, truth be told, I have no "sacred " heart, other than
redemption CHRIST alone brought me and me actually believing/living it. Gods
WORD says "the hearts of men are desperately wicked who can know them?".
Id love to tell you every day I am a peach and a plum and a honkey dorey specimen
of perfect kindnes and patience but HEY what the heck would I need Jesus for?:)!
No, Im not that girl.I am looking at Him mature me though, over time. No growth
is painles sor easy. Only on epersonw as ever perfect in the world, DESPITE
mdeia representations and news best sellers and meanderings..
Members of organized Christian religions are taught that Christ is the Only
son of God, and there are no others.
~ There are good men. But even GOOD men must be saved. Perhaps,in a way,
especially, for such good men are limited by the impediment of their own "perfected"
self , self "visions.This too is untruth,pride so at the core of this,
self self and deception.
The Nicene Creed of 323 AD made it so,
~God made Christ the only way to Heaven. That came in the beginning ken,
before any creeds. Honestly not familiar with it.
BUT I do not agree with that point of dogma, nor would Christ if He were
on earth today. Christ referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" .
He never said He was the "Son of God".
~Heres a few scriptures for you Ken ,on Jesus' diet. Im sorry you dont believe
He's God:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/messiah.htm
Of course Christ IS a son of God,
~No Ken thats apparently where they hoodwinked you guys, hes God, and God
alone :)
but we are all sons and daughters of God, regardless of how retarded our
spiritual development may be; we are still the children of God.
~Yes Ken, and most importantly made in His image to love and serve Him, and
all I've shared.
I might as well close here, as I realize that what I just said is tantamount
to heresy for you.
~Nope, Im not offended Ken. Its prettymuch what most of the "educated"
secular world system teaches. I believed it when I was in university. Doesn't
mean its all so true..
Do not fear for me or the readers of my web site Pamela.
~Yea, but I do Ken, 'cause we love you and your readers:)
Attend to your own soul and your own spiritual awakening and understanding.
~I can do that just fine by writing you regardless Ken. Ide be asleep in
the light if I never wrote you.
Insights and realizations are gained from within, not from without.
~Do I presume I am an entity unto myself? Do I presume to know your soul?
Only enough to know the maker of souls and the end of all men through Gods
Holy Spirit and His Word.Yes its true He lives IN us not because we dont at
times for get this blessed reality or forget His power and grace. If we presist
to think the "answers" and "in us" the "all"
is who we were "from the beginning" and we are not made purely and
simply in HIS image born and made to love and serve Him first as best we can,
we lead a shallow existence with lots of inner rooms leading to more circles
and endless searching. Does this make "me" better than you? Higher
finer more rare in the air I breathe? Dont ever let that lie escape THIS,
truth, we are NOTHING if not BOUND to HIM and ALL that that ENTAILS. Humblings,
suffesrings, glories and yes, persecutions, and more.Miracles ,answered prayers,
healings, sometimes none of these. Sometimes answers we see but dont really
fully see or understand here. Dont let them lie to you in suggesting we (Christians)
have some "easy" life, or that we find oursleves "better"
than you. The vast vast majority of us have enoough just dealing and being
in such a world..for better or worse..
Sin is in the intention and those of Good Will have nothing to fear from
God (or my web site) .
~Sin is our natural state Ken. And ID be in sin if I lied to you and said
it wasnt so. Day by day only GOD keeps us from the mans sins we have made
or could make (again). If this is not the opposite of pridefulness to say
we need Him and His all encompassing power,peace, and loving protection. I
really dont know what is.
Few want to heed the simple reality of what JESUS (the real one and His words
not some theories lumping Him in with a lot of nice guys whose bones melted
in their graves and never ever calaimed diety or equality with God, nor had
ANY truth behind such obvious historical realities..) said Ken, :"I am
the way,the truth, the life. No man can come to the Father, BUT by ME"
His simplicity and clarity is a things fewer and fewer wish to grasp in an
age of loving self and doctines which please one but have nothing to do with
Gods heart or ways or Godliness, just, looking spiritual.
Unfortunately, this saves no one.
God Bless and Peace, Ken
You too Ken,
Peace,
Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Mrs. P V
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: Respectfully
Hi Pamela,
1. You started this discussion. It was your desire to preach to me about
these issues and you invited my response. I told you that I had no interest
in this sort of debate because I know it's a total waste of time. You cannot
argue and browbeat someone into agreeing with you about spiritual matters.
These matters are decided within, not forced on one from the outside. But
you have the typical evangelical, fundamental preacher mind set. You are cock
sure that you KNOW God's will and by Jesus if we don't agree with you, we're
going to Hell in a handbasket and that's that. Unfortunately, your self righteousness
and jundgmental posture is indefensible and just dead wrong, but I'll never
convince YOU of that.
2. Thank you, but you already made my case for me in this reply, so, there's
no need to add more coal to the fire. Your words speak loudly enough.
A couple of points and I'll close:
If you think there are no factions within Christianity, then you've never
studied history. Look up the "Protestant Reformation" and "Martin
Luther" if you want to find the true source of your "beliefs from
God". You are as fundamental as fundamentalists can get. Apparently you
react to that classification as if it's some sort of insult, but it's simply
an indication of your belief structure. We call Catholics, Catholics and Lutherans
"Lutherans", because of the belief structure they profess. I have
no way of knowing which denomination of Protestantism you subscribe to, but
your statements are those of a Protestant fundamentalist. Why that bothers
you, I have no idea.
While you're at it, look up John Calvin too, as you have some of his ideology
runinng through your veins as well. He felt that he was one of the few 'elect'
who had the 'duty' to tell the rest of us (whom he considered mostly to be
the 'unelect' and damned ) exactly what God wanted us to know, believe, and
conform to (sound familiar?). In case you didn't know, Calvin, along with
the Catholic Dominican Inquisitors, had the nasty habit of burning up people
who didn't agree with them.
By the way, I just about fell off my chair when you replied to my charge
that Hindu's, Moslems, etc. are 'lost' in the eyes of fundamentalists as being
your view, and you said " Not if they get saved".
Whew. You summed it all up right there. That statement was more precious
than any other line you had written in your entire response booklet.
You really can't see the forest from the trees Pam. You are a prisoner of
preacher propagandists. You've been thoroughly brainwashed into accepting
a series of distorted ideas as 'coming from God' and there's nothing I could
say that could shake you out of that tree. And it's pointless to try.
So long, take care, and Saionara, Ken
More from the Preacher Lady
----- Original Message -----
From: Mrs. P V
To: Pam
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Wow . .
Ok..
Who is this?
How did you get this email?
And, who is "Ken"?
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam
To: Mrs PV
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Wow . .
Hi Pamela,
I just read your reply to Ken.
Thank you. That was good for me.
I found this website recently and found it to be truly "antichrist"
in a way.
I'm sticking with Jesus Christ!
God Bless you,
Pam
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mrs. P V
To: Editor
Cc: Pam
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Thanks again!*s
Apparently this party here seems to think my email is one which can be used
by the public.
However, I never gave anyone formal permission to publish anything I say nor
my email on any website (or anywhere else).
Please remove my posting at your website and most definitely my name and
email address as well.
This was not a thing I ever agreed to or gave any permission for in writing
or otherwise.
But now that this request is in writing I am sure you will address this promptly.
P.S.
This is a private email address, please do have the courtesy and decency,
if you can, not to spread it around to anyone else.
Also to Pam (*Or anyone else who has by now gotten this quite private address),
this is a private email address, as mentioned above. Please do not write anymore.
Further communication about or in anyway remotely related to the Educate-yourself
website or its topics in any way will henceforth be considered spam. They
will be recorded by the computer, for our records and not be replied to.
We thank you again for your immediate attention to this matter.
pvg:wvg
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mrs. P V
To: Editor
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:30 PM
Subject: Fw: Just one more thing
Just one more thing
Regardless of whether this post of mine I mentioned this evening in my emails
to you is removed as soon as possible or not, the website Editor will be held
personally responsible for any/all of our personal inconvenience or any other
hardship, calamity or difficulty which may come as consequence of my email
being shared and my writings by the Educate-yourself.org Editor http://educate-yourself.org/lte/respectfully04apr04.shtml
(this also applying to any other derivative without my expressed permission).
In short as with any written communication, this letter holds the Editor
of this aforementioned website (Educate-yourself.org Editor ) personally liable
for any and all hardship or difficulties which may come as a consequence of
said Editor posting the author of this email's personal and very private information
without her consent. (In this case as mentioned my emails and email address,
name and sharings etc.)
Now, you are aware all actions have consequences and this is now formally
in legal format by these emails this evening being in writing.
These unkindnesses and disrespects will be forgiven, but will not be undealt
with by the proper authorities if anyone is ever contacting my Husband, my
family or myself about this website and its topics (in ANY way),ever again,
forever. Your name and information can be traced to the proper authorities
and I will personally have no remorse whatsoever in providing them immediate
information tracing the people or parties being held liable for potentially
opening up a door to my private and precious personal world. There is no way
out of the open door being held open by the person running the aforementioned
website in terms of their personal culpability. Not to mention what God has
in store for this man and those he holds dear. If anyone.
Forgiven but not forgotten Mr. Ken Adachi currently at :
Educate-Yourself
P.O. Box 3046
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USA
Voice Mail: (949) 726-5098
It's not funny anymore
----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Mrs. P V
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks again!*s
Dear Pam,
Do not send me your unsolicited critical opinions if you don't want it to
be seen on the internet. You contacted me, not the other way around. The notice
reprinted below is posted right at the top of the Home page and the Current
News page. You had fair notice.
As a courtesy, I'll remove your e mail address, but the letter and your name
stays. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Sincerely, Ken
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