I first want to thank you for the incredible resource you have provided. I won't bore you with my personal story of awakening to the world around me, but a fantastic trip out has been so far and thankfully it's brought me here.
The reason I'm writing is that I've become very interested in Mr. Livingstone's writings and wanted to see if he had any commentary on the use of psychadelic substances. I have been reading lobsang rampa, thanks to you, and he has a slightly negative stance on the use but I think he isn't telling the whole story. Shamans worldwide can't all be wrong?
Thank you for the help in this matter and if you had any commentary as well, if love to hear it.
I'm mentioned the use of psychedelics and it's only appropriate for people from those indigenous cultures who are trained for shamanism and have the tradition for using them. You can open up a lot of doors that don't necessarily close so easily afterwards. I know of some white people who lived with natives for a few years and became shamans, but they are the exception, not the rule. White people who are curious often regret that choice. There are no shortcuts to expanded consciousness. It's a journey of the heart and mind. Drugs have nothing to do with it.
Regards, Ken
From :Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone January 11, 2014
Ken,
In response to Steve Z's inquiry about my feelings about psychedelic drugs I will tell him I never used drugs and I have never promoted them. I have never sought them. I do not judge those who have used drugs, their use is the individual's decision.
With my crown chakra and kundalini opening at age 13 in 1964 I already had what psychedelic drug users wanted. I was protected from drugs even though they were everywhere in the hippie era of Vancouver BC. My spiritual awaking was due to work done in previous incarnations and facilitated by David L. Livingstone who was nearby. I found alcohol to debilitate my spiritual attunement so now at age 62 I can state I have never been drunk.
In all likelihood the use of LSD and other hallucinogens would have blocked my connection to High Self.
Astral entities aid and abet the promotion of drugs and alcohol and feed off the soul energies of abusers. At this time, as the lower astral realms are being cleaned up, the use of drugs and alcohol will drop.
The use of magic mushrooms, peyote and ayahuasca may be appropriate to some in the proper settings, but I do not need them and do not seek them. The natural production of DMT in the brain will normalize with the detoxification of diet. People will be able to attain higher states of awareness through simple meditation.
The use of drugs to open higher sense awareness is a crutch and the removal of the crutch brings the user crashing to the ground. Often the user is in worse shape than at the start.
Steve, there are no shortcuts to spiritual awakening. Once on the road to awareness, one must stay on the road. Detours like hallucinogens may be long.
Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone
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Ken,
Thank you for facilitating my query of Mr. Livingstone, it was most generous of you.
I agree with Mr. Livingstone about drug use and the powers of addiction that can overcome you if not careful. I am dealing with that very issue right now with marijuana, having let it have power over me for years.
I’ve been clean of it for about a month now and understand now that part of my purpose here is to be strong in my convictions and be an example to those close to me. If I can overcome, so can they.
I’ve had several experiences with DMT and mushrooms now and I can confirm that there is contact with entities beyond myself. Their intentions are always unknown to me, which is problematic but I’ve received messages that truly have helped guide me closer to a spiritual path.
It is a strange fashion in which messages are imparted. With the mushrooms in manifests in the use of my own voice and body. The main point I got was that I was told, or told myself, that what I am searching for does not lie in this hallucinogenic experience, but this experience can help point me in the right direction. I’ve experienced deep emotional releases.
Now, I don’t know if what I am experiencing is a function of my unconscious mind or something external. But it’s very real either way.
I wanted to share with you my most recent experience with mushrooms, which was quite scary/interesting, that happened this past weekend. I’m going to sound crazy – but since you and Mr. Livingstone are quite versed in astral phenomenon it may sound plausible?
A few hours into the experience, I was compelled to sit in front of a mirror. There, I experienced the most fascinating things. It felt as if I was channeling or hosting some type of demonic entity. It would talk to me in the mirror, showing teeth, guttural noises, spitting, and my arms and hands were making the most peculiar motions and hand signs…. Most I was able to identify as demonic. After I a while I was able to take back control, sitting in a lotus position, and restricted the movement of my arms and continued to tell whatever it was ‘no’ and I was in control.
After what seemed like 2 entities wrestling in my head for about an hour, I had a wave of joy come over me and a message that I was to tell let everyone know, that it’s all going to be alright. I also took away that demons are much, much more real than people think and very close to us, watching us it seems. It also seemed to indicate that it's too late to stop what's going to happen, but again it's all going to be okay. I have no idea whats coming, but to have faith.
I literally sound insane, but I know I am not. Now I’m not sure if I’m making this all up in my head or that experience was actually real. And if it was real, am I still harboring something inside?
I don’t plan to use hallucinogenics much more, as it seems I have really come to the end of what I want to get out of the experience. Also, given my most recent experience, I am not versed enough to be venturing into a world I cannot protect myself in. I have started a meditation practice and will continue with that, as it very much helps me in my daily life.
Thank you for reading this. If you feel compelled to forward this to Mr. Livingstone, I would greatly appreciate hearing any comments/advice he has as well as anything you may have.
I have exper
ienced the so called thrill of psychedelics in my younger days and can honestly say i would not rule out doing it again under the right conditions. But do not seeing it happening anytime soon. When I was very young about 8 or so, I had an out of body experience is the only way I can describe it. As I got older I would read things such as charities of the gods and such, Edgar Cayce books, in fact did a high school college style term paper on Edgar Cayce and made the highest score ever in the school. Also started reading Carlos Castaneda's books and then found a book in my grandfather's attic called "Wisdom of the Mystic Masters", books by Eckankar but that soon faded when I started working which that pretty much ended my search/quest of such things but still did my experiences with the Psychedelics till the early 90s. It was not till 2005 that I became aware of how governments/ELITES really work, thanks to the internet and an inner nagging form somewhere that encouraged me seek it out. So now that I know or at least have some knowledge of what is going on, I really do not thing I could enjoy the Psychedelics today as I could when I was not aware.
I have been studying the laws and constitutions to help protect family,friends and myself from government.
I am a carpenter with much knowledge in field 51 years young. Ken your site is one of the best spirit up lifting sites to visit after reading all the doom and gloom from many other sites. I really dislike it then sites talk about problems and offer no solutions. There are no problems only solutions, never a bad day!
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